[Speaking to someone sitting in the doorway.
Are you guarding the door so no one would run away?
Master, when I stand on my head, do a
headstand, the Sound Current gets really loud; how come?
What do you mean by that?
You know, when you get down, and your feet go
up and your head is down.
Sound is there; that
makes no difference.
It seems to get really loud when I do.
Where you put your whole attention,
naturally there you'll go. Similarly if your whole attention
is there, you'll have it while sitting. When you stoop down,
your whole attention [goes to your head], that's all; and
the result will be when you are withdrawn you will fall
Sit at right angles. Even if you withdraw, you won't fall.
Whichever way you are leaning you will fall down in that
way. This body, what is it? It's like earth, stone. When you
are withdrawn, what is it? It is a clod of earth, after all.
And also sometimes when you get out of bed
quickly in the morning, the blood rushes to your head, you
What are you talking
about? Blood is always going through the veins even while
sleeping, hard at work. That dizziness may mean there is
something wrong physically.
A lot of people have that, it happens to a
lot of people.
You're a spokesman for all of them?
Do you have something like that, tell me? What about you?
Well, it hasn't happened lately but sometimes
when I would get up from sitting and get up quickly I would
If the soul is withdrawn,
you cannot stand. You are There, and unless you descend into
the body, you cannot control yourself. The seat of the soul
is at the back of the eyes from where it works throughout
the whole body. Have you followed?
When you leave meditation don't stand up all at once;
slowly. Then the soul current, sensory current works
through the body. You follow? When you are withdrawn you see
it is inert, body is inert. If all at once you rise, then
sometimes soul is not in this physical body, you sometimes
cannot think what you are doing. Even if it happens so, then
again sit down in meditation. Come down slowly, not all at
once. You are not in this physical body as yet. You feel
something. Sometimes you cannot think. If anything happens
to you like that, then sit down in meditation and think of
God. That's the only remedy. These things are not given in
books, I tell you. They are practical difficulties. So when
you are in meditation, if anybody wants you, he should let
you come down slowly. Slowly. Don't leave all at once.
Because after all, the spirit current has to work through
the body. The prana current goes on, it is not disturbed, it
becomes slow, steady, rhythmic. It is the spirit current,
sensory current, which is withdrawn. That's a point to be
remembered. So if this thing happens, never rise all at
once, mind that. When you rise up, rise up slowly; feel your
Master, in this case it wasn't that. I wasn't
even meditating. It's just that sometimes when I'm in a
bathtub, my body gets very hot, and when I stand up the
blood rushes from my head sometimes. And I was just saying
that when that happens now I hear the Sound Current; this
Well, rise up slowly. Why
all at once? The house has not gone on fire. When you are
all heated and you leave off covering, then naturally you'll
All it is, when that happens I hear the Sound
Current very loud.
My Lord, again that
comes. Sound is already there. When you are concentrated,
whether lying, or sitting, or stooping, or reclining, your
attention should be there. That makes no difference. You may
sit headlong down, even then you will hear. This is because
you are always thinking of yourself as a body. Don't think
of the body at all and you won't have any suchlike feelings.
You follow me? These are some practical difficulties which
do arise. That is why guidance is required, unless you
become adept in that. In most books you won't see a reply to
this, but in a way the reply is there. The only thing is we
don't digest. First understand; then digest.
So, what does Master do? Listen carefully, I would say
now. You know it is we who give strength to the outgoing
faculties to work. If we are not there, outgoing faculties
do not work. I gave you an example the other day. When you
are sitting quite absorbed in something, if somebody calls
you once, twice, thrice, you do not hear. He comes up to you
and says, "Well, dear friend, I have called you so many
times, why don't you reply?" You say, "My attention was
somewhere else." Unless the attention is in the ears, ears
don't work. Unless the attention is in the eyes, eyes won't
see. Attention is to be controlled. How to control? If you
withdraw completely, concentrated at one center, the
outgoing faculties will not disturb you. The outward things
also won't attract your outgoing faculties. You know the
whole machinery of the body is working on account of us. Is
it not? When you leave the body it is a dead machinery lying
there. So what does Master do? He first gives you a control
to your own body. How? By giving you a lift, an experience,
a demonstration to be There. They [Masters] give you
something to stand on. If you are fully absorbed there the
whole machinery stands.
So somebody asked Guru Arjan, "What did Master do for
you?" He said, "He has made me the master of my body; I am
the queen of the body." "Well, how many servants have you
got?" He said, "Ten, ten servants." "Who are they? .... Five
outgoing faculties, physical outgoing faculties, and five,
the inner working through them." So ten servants you have
got. But they have run amuck, revolted. They drag you anyway
they like. When you concentrate There, then all outgoing
faculties do not work. So first lesson which He gives us is
to learn to do that. Now we are dragged by the outgoing
faculties. The outgoing faculties are dragged by outward
enjoyments, and outward enjoyments control the outgoing
faculties. Outgoing faculties control the mind, and mind is
controlling the intellect--and the poor spirit is being
dragged, just like in a chariot that is drawn by so many
horses. The driver is there, the horses are controlled with
the reins, and the man who is sitting in the chariot is
being dragged by them. It is something like that. So we are
in the chariot of the body. Outgoing faculties are the
horses, each running in its own way. And mind is
controlling. So if you concentrate, it is the mind that gets
strength from you. If you are centered There, then mind and
intellect are the horses. That is what is with you the very
Intellectuals might understand in that way. When you are
withdrawn from all outside, the result will be? You are
spirit, God is spirit, and spirit is God. You are a drop of
the Ocean of All Consciousness; naturally that will go back
to its own source. It is but natural. Just like a lit
candle, the flame goes upward always. If you upturn it, even
then it will go up. Why? Because the source of light is the
sun outside. You come down to the earth because its source
is there. So mind is material. It will always lead
you to the downward things. And when you are cut off from
all these things, naturally you will want God. Nowadays we
have got airplanes, previously we had hydrogen balloons.
They were filled with hydrogen gas and were tied down to the
earth with some rope. When those ropes were cut, they flew
into the air. It is something like that, you see. When you
are cut off from all outgoing faculties, naturally the soul
will go to the Oversoul, it is but natural. I would say we
have got a real innate hankering to go to our own
nature, source, God.
If outward penances or other methods are done, it is
just like a lady who is going to be married away, and always
trying different ornaments. It is all outward. Whatever
method you adopt; you sing, you do this thing or that
ritual; this is only to prepare you for meeting God, that's
all. But unless you are the master of your own self, you
cannot proceed further, you are dragged like anything. So
first thing is to be withdrawn. This is the very first
lesson given to you, and also something is given to stand on
within you, on God, the outward expression of which is Light
and Sound. It is very scientific, very natural. If you
understand me, and live up to it, you'll become like I am
too. That ABC will start from there. Now we are not
completely withdrawn. We are dragged by outward things. If
you put in more time and become absorbed in the Light and
Sound Principle within, then naturally what will be the
result? You will have bliss There. Now mind won't permit you
to go in. But once it has tasted that bliss, it will never
like to come out. So that is why I say, put in more time. In
a few months you must have that bliss, then naturally
whenever you have vacant time, you'll try to go in. Yes?
Master, we have desires, all of us have
desires. They vary from person to person. But, is it
necessary to live out the desires, to fulfill them, or can
we by meditating... ?
What desires? Carnal
desires should be avoided. How can you control yourself?.
Outward give and take as a reaction of the past, that is
something else. Desire--you say you want to drink, then? You
want to drink, you desire to drink.
Then? Be desireless, all
Masters say this. Lord Buddha says be desireless. It is
desires that drag you out.
Sometimes I have read that you can't leave
this world until all our desires are fulfilled.
Not desires but
the reactions of the past. Never sow new seeds which
will have to be reaped. Past give and take should be wound
up. If you go on enjoying desires; they play hell like
anything. If a butcher desires to kill animals, do you think
it is all right? You are conscious entities, you are men,
not animals. You have to know yourself, and the ultimate
goal is to know the Overself. You have to leave all things
that bind you to the outside. Let give and take be
reconciled, that is another thing. But desires, carnal
desires, I would say now, let me use the word carnal
desires, or outward desires that bind you to the outside
world, have to be used in a temperate way, so that they may
not stand in your way to God.
By meditation they can be washed away?
I told you just now, you
become master of your outgoing faculties. For that you have
been given a demonstration. Well, go on with it. You'll be
absorbed into It, and outward things won't affect you. You
will become air conditioned. This is the first lesson to be
learned, and this is the first lesson given by all Masters
the very first day, a demonstration of which is given. We do
not appreciate the valuable thing we have received. You
always revive outward desires. I just told you, mind is
material, it will always drag you to the material things.
Soul is not material, it is conscious. It will go to All
Consciousness when it is cut off from all outside.
Ultimately everything boils down to that.
Can you know yourself? Sometimes you have a dip, then
you are dragged outside. You have not become the master of
your body. The ABC starts when you rise above body
consciousness. Body consciousness comes only through
outgoing faculties. We are identified with the body and
outside world so much so that we have forgotten ourselves.
Go on, do it, and you will see the further way very clearly,
and you'll run up like anything. It is worldly desires only
that drag us down. If you are like that, you'll leave the
body at death with nobody to care after you. Then you will
have to come back. The initiates have a concession. What?
You know what? It's given in the books. They won't come back
lower than the man body. Yes, yes. Why?
Because the seed is in them, the only way the
seed could fructify...
That's all right. If he
has love for, a ruling passion for the Master, then?
Then he won't have to come back.
That's all right. He will
go where the Maser will go. If He is not to return, how can
you return? So this is what I was telling, you see. Don't
ruminate over books, I would say now. Read, understand; but
understanding intellectually also won't do anything, unless
you live up to it. You sit in meditation--all right--the
world is not there. But when you come out the world is
there. It is you who make the world. Yes?
Master, if a person is...
I wish your ifs and buts
to be finished. They will be finished only if you live up to
what you have been told. All right, go on.
If a person is very starving, or very hungry
all day long, and all he can think about is where he is
going to get his next meal from, then isn't it more
difficult for him to have desire for God, because all his
desires are for food and...
You must earn your
livelihood. Stand on your own legs. Don't depend on others.
If you are dependent it is better to die. Earn your own
livelihood, stand on your own legs, earn your livelihood by
the sweat of your brow and share with others.
Won't it be hard for that person to progress
spiritually because all his desires are for food and
One is carnal desire, the
other is spiritual desire. Learn to differentiate between
the two. One is noble desire, the other will keep you down.
Digest it, grasp it. When you grasp it, live up to it. Even
if you don't grasp it in one book, other books give the same
thing from a different view. It is 9:30. Pity I have to run
up there too [Manav Kendra]. Enjoy your meditations, to the
best you can.
Do you give Satsang for the Indian people
anytime here in Rajpur?
What is Satsang? This is
Satsang. It clarifies certain things by heart to heart talk.
Lecturing only gives theory to you, so that you may grasp
something. Direct talks are given here, clearly. Just like
the cracking of the almond to give you the real thing.
Casing is taken off and only real things are given.
An Indian tailor downtown said he thinks he
would like to see you, and so I said in the morning here.
They are welcome anytime.
This is Satsang.
These heart to heart talks given to you are the very
gist of the whole thing. But in Satsang it is by radiation
that you get it, things become very clear. The same thing
given in books will not be so clear now, because the
charging and the words coming from the heart go into the
heart. Only an arrow which has been drawn to the breast will
go to the target. If it is not drawn to the breast, then it
will fall down. So, words coming out of the heart, go to the
heart of the people. That's the point.